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I received the following feedback on the above article from Cape Town.
Written by:- Ilko Alexandro nightlight.zenfolio.com Last Updated: April 2010
Part 1
I read the short article - nice internals on the whole thing. I've read some more on your site before and agree with your findings almost always.
Here, i'm absolutely convinced that the immaturity (probably kept like this on purpose) of the in-camera processing cannot produce the results one can obtain from the 'slow' out-of-camera raw processing. Im too lazy to post 100% crops between in-camera jpg, straight out and the corresponding raws - only converted and NR applied, nothing else .. The diff in detail, texture, hl is day and night in some of the shots. This with the G11, LC1 (!), L1, even the famed sony R1 - i do the tests to decide which way to go and its the raws that always win. Maybe, just may be, it could be different with the PEN (at lower ISO), due to its processing engine and color ..
I often say that working with raw is like working with the negative, with jpg - like working with positive, slide film. You are spot on with your observations re the benefits of raw, let me add my 2 cents here - not what i've read somewhere, but coming from hands on with the G11:
- You can introduce filters, eg B&W Tri-X (SEP) much more successfully and true to film when having a detailed raw.
- You avoid the unrepairable halos and artifacts from the in-camera jpg sharpening.
3. You DO have better HL recovery.
- You have total control over sharpening and NR, and the stage of it's application - in my experience, NR only on the final jpg, sharpening - a very difficult call, using the Wenmiao Lu algorithm exclusively as of recent, sharpening during the raw conversion, renders some very pleasing results, in fact i do not apply any separate, 'end-sharpening' to the output. I can always do this later, as tools mature.
- Last, but not least - as you'd know very well, the amount of detail preserved via raw is one single reason i'd process from raw every time .. I would not have this point mentioned if i was shooting FF (M9) - the smaller the sensor and the more the pixels, the more important it becomes
Im prepared to bet big that the upcoming (?) G12 will have full control over the camera NR and sharpening strength.
Part 2
You can add these below too - completing the story on my side and answering your question on sharpening :
I've found that the most important sharpening parameters which control the quality of sharpening are sharpening radius and sharpening threshold. both I try to keep at very low values. Thus, I avoid artifacts and halos, and sea-saw edges, as much as possible. the sharpening strength is trial and error, and I've developed a rule that the moment I see halos - I stop and pull back a bit.
I know that there are pro - so to speak tools such as Nick sharpener and others, however, I try to keep my processing as minimal as possible - I’m by nature a minimalist, for ex my main HiFi has just few tubes in the path - I believe that purity in photography and PS layers per se do not go very well.
It is another whole debate of weather we should sharpen in raw conversion, well, it's done on the converted jpg, not on the raw data, so it is jpg sharpening, or we sharpen outside / after the raw conversion - I believe that there are tools that are very capable to complete processing within the raw conversion.
The film grain or the avoiding of digital pixelization is where I put most effort to date I guess, by not accepting the type of artifact / pixel group shape we get from small chip / large MP cameras. This is where I tested various demosaic algorithms, with the same set of files, completely controlled test, and after seeing this horrible digital look of rectangular, rice-like adjoined pixel (each pixel i obviously a perfect square at 500 - 1000%), I sort of set a goal to find a way of processing which will get me to round-like, film grain pixels. I largely succeeded in this using Raw Therapee (2 & 3) and their HDCD (?) demosaic, with particular approach to sharpening and all, but then came across the little known Wenmiao Lu or LU algorithm, which gave me exactly this - a 'round looking' pixel groups at 100 - 300% and instant film-like look, everything considered. Further more, coming off a film like 'grain' pixels, you have somewhat better control over sharpening, noise, later enlargement, and overall look and feel in principal - the story here of it looks so much film vs it looks digital and over-processed.
I'll stop here, before I get carried away completely. One final thing I need to mention though is that I shoot available light and when there is very little light, and above is likely to be applicable to such style. With zoomed flowers, portraits, bugs, the beaches and the sun - you might and will get great results with any modern tool, even with Picasa developing raw.
Anyway, very interested in your experience re above, and any thoughts.
My firm believe is that the tools and approach matter as much as the camera / chip / skill - less of the former and more effort in the latter, and we get closer to 'there'
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